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And "Handhelds". They seem to be less capable than even current phones, and certainly don't play a central all-the-time role like phones do in many of our lives even now. It's mentioned in relation to photos something like "I might run out of room". Maybe it's just so natural and assumed that it's not often discussed, like pockets in pants. Or since the series was founded in pre-smartphone times, they just aren't included; plus the impact on plot and story development is avoided. I suspect that's the easiest answer. And like the use of "tape", some necessary retconing is going on.
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Yes. The folding vanes didn't make a lot of sense to me. I can see an advantage in terms of docking and ship clearance zones at smaller stations particularly, but the later discussions about the triple vaned ship and the difficulties of balancing power etc across the vane assemblies for jump operations would argue in favour of fixed and stable vane configurations rather than more flexible but potentially harder to manage rigs needing constant monitoring and adjustment, or so it would seem to me. Maybe foldable vanes were a concept that was disparaged and superseded in later times?
And computing resources are another can of worms entirely. I got a strong impression from other books that computer states weren't reliable across jump events. Wasn't that Tom B's job on board Sprite in Tripoint originally? Checking computing integrity before and after a Jump?
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Btw, I just started a reread of Rimrunners- there is a bit of history there at the start that might shed some light on this, although it comes at a much later time, after Mazian is driven off by thr Alliance and well after Downbelow Station-sometime after 2353, when the discovery of a new jump point has, yet again, made the Hinder Stars irrelevant.
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Kokipy wrote:
Btw, I just started a reread of Rimrunners- there is a bit of history there at the start that might shed some light on this, although it comes at a much later time, after Mazian is driven off by thr Alliance and well after Downbelow Station-sometime after 2353, when the discovery of a new jump point has, yet again, made the Hinder Stars irrelevant.
Yes. In the wider context of A/U history post the Treaty of Pell, this section gives us some clues to the relative timing of the final closing of the Hinder Stars. And indeed specific dates are mentioned in Rimrunners which can be used to help determine an earliest possible date for that to happen.
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So this is where I get quite confused: in Alliance Unbound JR Neihart is senior captain and there are also Madison, Bucklin, Fletcher, among many others, of course. I understand Finity’s End is years and a war later than AU. In FE, senior captain is now James Robert, retiring from active duty but now JR is posted to fourth captain. And there are still Madison, Bucklin, Fletcher. Now there's also Madelaine, who is a sitting captain and is Fletcher’s grandmother, i.e., Fletcher’s mother’s mother. So are these characters the same people, with the exception of Fletcher?
And Tom Mallory is in AU. Signy Mallory is mentioned a number of times in FE. If she is Tom’s descendant, has she had enough time to be “a former merchanter, former Fleet officer and bitterly opposed to Union. She had worked with Union against the Fleet. There was no side she hadn’t been on, at one time or another, including Earth’s.”?
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Who are all these Neiharts?
Yes, it's all very confusing. I don't believe they are the same people, with one notable exception. I think the ship's habit of re-using names within different generations of crew is what excacerbates the problem.
I think there are three James Roberts: the first one we've not met as he was a captain on the original STL ship where the Family was established. The second is the Senior Captain during Alliance Unbound and I believe is the same man as the about to retire Senior Captain in the book Finity's End. The third is the newly appointed fourth captain in that book.
As to Signy? Yes. I think she has had enough time. In Downbelow Station, we are explicitly told her actual age and her apparent age at a specific point in the overall timeline.
I hope that helps.
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Thanks, Surtac!
Yes, that does help, and I agree ... mostly. The family does recycle names but they usually change subsequent names just enough to be distinguishable, e.g., Jennifer, Jen, Jennie, Jenny, etc. so that's what made me wonder about Madison, Bucklin and such. There's even a Parton character in both AU and FE. And Captain James Robert is never called JR, that I've noticed; there's a definite distinction between James Robert and JR. And Fletcher isn't that much younger than JR. So I still wonder. Do you think Captain James Robert in AR - he who held court in Rosie's - and Captain James Robert in AU are the same person? In AU he tells JR that he's 149.
Oh, well, I expect I'll find more little treasures when I go for my 3rd read soon ... Always happens. One of the many reasons I love CJ's books.
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BeulahBelle wrote:
. So I still wonder. Do you think Captain James Robert in AR - he who held court in Rosie's - and Captain James Robert in AU are the same person? In AU he tells JR that he's 149.
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The 149 reference is in FE so I assume you mean FE rather than AU in that question. If so, then yes I do believe they are the same man. The timings and timelines work for me. Recall that in that same scene, the senior captain James Robert addresses JR as Jamie and says he's posting him as fifth captain. Shortly thereafter, JR is introduced to Esperance Station authorities as fifth captain James Robert Neihart, Junior.
But now you do have me wondering about some of the other captains ...
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Yes, I did mean Finity's End. And I agree that there are three James Roberts as you've noted.
Interesting bit, though, p. 73 in the hardcover version of AU - on arrival at Pell, conversation between Emilio Konstantin and JR - Emilio says, "Captain James Robert, is it?" and then a bit further on in the passage: "Abrezio had saddled him with that history-charged name that he pointedly did not go by - tagged him on their last night on Alpha, and his own family had picked it up, for all the wrong reasons. He was the second captain of that centuries-old name... . Captain James Robert Neihart: Gaia's first captain ..."
So somehow he's JR all the way through AU but he's James Robert to all the characters within the story.
And even more confounding, a bit further on in the passage from Finity's End you've referred to which takes place at Esperance where he's introduced as fifth captain: "These people hadn't known he existed two seconds ago - another Captain James Robert, under tutelage of the first." (my emphasis)
I think I'm getting just too hung up on details which I may be misinterpreting and really don't have any impact on the story, anyway.
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'Under the tutelage of the first.'
In context, that makes sense. He was and is the first of that particular name to captain the FTL merchanter named Finity's End. Our young JR in that book will be the second. From the perspective of the Esperance stationers, the older James Robert is the only one of that name they've ever known.
An original architect of the Alliance, he has fought through the entirety of the Company War and the skirmishes leading up to it and is a genuine historical figure in his lifetime under the James Robert Neihart name.
This all shows how closely you have to read CJs books sometimes to get possible connections in the first place. And why re-reads can also be so rewarding.