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You may recall that I received a book from a friend that no one here recognized: Liege-Killer by Christopher Hinz first published 1987.
Surtac went so far as to begin a read, but found something about it not to his liking. I understood that too from my start. I am happy to report that now at page 400 of 535, I was pleasantly surprised by about page 150. I haven’t finished, I’m not ready to say I recommend it, but at least it’s been a far more engaging read than I was expecting.
But that’s only a piece to this post. I saw the friend in question last weekend, and had a chance to discuss his SF reading history and preferences with him. Very interesting, because in talking I thought he seemed to be a guy who, like me as a teen, prioritized plot and ideas over writing quality. That doesn’t work well for me anymore.
But then I got home and did some research. I am wondering how to make sense of this, and also whether it should affect my reading plans..
His favorite SF books and authors are the following:
Dune
LotR
One series by Piers Anthony
Stephen R Donaldson’s Thomas Covenant series
The incomplete trilogy by Patrick Rothfuss starting with The Name of the Wind
The aforementioned Liege-Killer
My reaction to this was some puzzlement. I have always held Dune and LotR in high esteem, so he’s starting off as a reader of some high quality SF. And Liege-Killer is turning out to be let’s say a readable if not first-rate SF thriller. I love the Rothfuss books, even if I and most of his readership remain annoyed that he promised a trilogy and it looks like he will certainly fail to deliver that.
But Piers Anthony? I recall reading some truly awful SF by him. Is it possible I have underestimated and underread him?
And I have never read the Donaldson books. Why? Because I have always had a rough impression that they were not good. However recent research has shown that a) some people love them, b) the writing is regarded as quite good and c) the negative impression I have had is probably due to the darkness and lack of likeability of the protagonist, which I understand is often why those who dislike the series feel that way.
I must insert this data point which has followed my reading habits forever: some of these books came out in the 1980s, a decade in which my professional training caused me to miss most cultural developments. It is why I only discovered CJC in 2006. I never experienced Michael Jackson’s solo career, only the Jackson Five. Etc. Maybe this is rearing its head here too.
So does anyone have any comments/analysis of this person’s reading choices? And what can you say about the Piers Anthony and Donaldson?
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Ok. Some initial reactions to the list - more to come after I've done some follow-up research of my own
Dune. I'm a fan of the first few books only. I re-read the first a couple years back before Villeneuve's movie version and I think it holds up well.
LotR. Love the concept and the depth of worldbuilding in that universe. Not a fan of the actual prose style. Too turgid for my taste.
Piers Anthony . Dunno. I have a couple paperbacks buried in The Stacks but I can't recall ever reading any of his stuff.
Donalson. If I turn my chair 90 deg to the right of where I'm sitting there is a bookcase with at least a dozen of his books in hardcover on the top shelf. Not just the Thomas Covenants but the Gap series of space opera adventures and his other fantasy books, Mordant's Need and so forth. I originally read the Covenants in Panther paperback as a poor student and replaced them with a hardcover omnibus edition. Yes the character was repellent but the writing was a breath of fresh air at the time,
And I still can't quite put my finger on what threw me out of Liege-killer.
More to follow.
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Ok, thanks for that set of initial reactions. And yes, I was only referring to the canonical first book Dune, although I felt the first three were readable before the series went downhill. As to LotR, I understand what you say, and the prose style is a matter of taste. To me, the writing was beautiful, but certainly ymmv. I may be holding too tightly to the past.
I have the first Thomas Covenant, and it sounds like I ought to give it a read. Thanks for that -
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My knowledge goes as far as Dune, LoTR and the Xanth series of Anthony's. Tries the Covenant series: hated it because of it's darkness and constant no-winning. Like reliving my own life. Not doing that. Never heard of the other 2.
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Griffinmoon wrote:
My knowledge goes as far as Dune, LoTR and the Xanth series of Anthony's. Tries the Covenant series: hated it because of it's darkness and constant no-winning. Like reliving my own life. Not doing that. Never heard of the other 2.
And how was the Xanth series, Griffin-ji?
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The Xanth series is/was meant for young adults: facing some of the things that tweens/teens face in growing up. At that time in my life it suited me. I loved the imagination and magic. Now that I'm older, I've given them all away as no longer to my taste.
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Griffinmoon wrote:
The Xanth series is/was meant for young adults: facing some of the things that tweens/teens face in growing up. At that time in my life it suited me. I loved the imagination and magic. Now that I'm older, I've given them all away as no longer to my taste.
Great, thanks for that!
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A couple more thoughts as I research my own history with that list of books.
Dune. I agree with you Star. I pretty well abandoned the Dune series after the third title Children of Dune. I might re-read Dune Messiah before Villeneuve's third film drops, or I may not. It does have the advantage of being a relatively short book if I do choose to revisit it.
Donaldson and Thomas Covenant. Idle speculation on my part this morning was informed by me noticing that shelved next to my hardcover Donaldsons are my hardcover Joe Abercrombies.
If the American publication of LotR was the impetus behind the subsequent explosion of Extruded Fantasy Product books, then maybe Thomas Covenant was the anti-matter version - the proto-form that led to the appearance of grimdark fantasy several decades later? I seem to remember Covenant getting a lot of LotR comparison press over here at the time. The darkness versus the light sort of stuff iirc.
I'll need to go digging in publication date data. ISFDB, here I come.
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Surtac wrote:
A couple more thoughts as I research my own history with that list of books.
Dune. I agree with you Star. I pretty well abandoned the Dune series after the third title Children of Dune. I might re-read Dune Messiah before Villeneuve's third film drops, or I may not. It does have the advantage of being a relatively short book if I do choose to revisit it.
Donaldson and Thomas Covenant. Idle speculation on my part this morning was informed by me noticing that shelved next to my hardcover Donaldsons are my hardcover Joe Abercrombies.
If the American publication of LotR was the impetus behind the subsequent explosion of Extruded Fantasy Product books, then maybe Thomas Covenant was the anti-matter version - the proto-form that led to the appearance of grimdark fantasy several decades later? I seem to remember Covenant getting a lot of LotR comparison press over here at the time. The darkness versus the light sort of stuff iirc.
I'll need to go digging in publication date data. ISFDB, here I come.
Now that shelving discovery is quite interesting. You may or may not recall that I am not an Abercrombie fan. The Blade Itself displeased me greatly for the repellant people inhabiting that grim world. And to learn that those reside next to a series known for its unlikable protagonist. Gives one pause. I’m committed to reading the first Donaldson this year, so I will report back on any resonances for me.