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3/15/2024 10:15 pm  #1


Close, Mother Nature, But Far Enough Away.

Yesterday evening, March 14, a line of severe thunderstorms rolled through Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio. Several of these thunderstorms produced very large hail, up to 1.75" (44mm).  Two towns about 15 miles northwest of me were hit with a tornado, but the worst was 20 miles northeast of me where an EF3 tornado ripped through a trailer park in the small resort town of Lakeview, Ohio.  I was up on the amateur radio nets for my local county's weather reporting, as well as to the regional director station in Dayton, Ohio, some 40 miles south of me.  I have a weather application on my desktop computer that allows me to obtain radar pictures that are less than 2 minutes old, as well as immediate bulletins from our local National Weather Service office.  My job is to alert the listeners in the area of potential dangerous weather.  Since this is amateur radio, it's not necessarily heard by everyone who needs to hear, either because they don't know about it, or they don't have a radio scanner programmed with the frequency.  Their weather radios help to alert, but they don't give specific information about the exact location of the weather in a timely manner.  I have spotters (NOT storm chasers) around the county who report to me on one frequency, and I report to the Dayton station on another frequency.  My radios are capable of sending and receiving on different bands, so there's no mutual interference.  With all of the warnings, at least three people died in that trailer park last night, and recovery efforts are still underway with search and rescue.  The local communities have been overwhelming in their desire to help, and the high school where they dropped off supplies has been quickly to the point where they have no more room. 

My complaint?  The radio link between Dayton and me was terrible, I couldn't understand much of what they were telling us counties, and they were having difficulty understanding us.  I don't know how much of the problem is with my group's equipment and how much is with Dayton's location.  They're about 700 feet of elevation below our repeater location, plus there's a rather tall building that is immediately in front of their location and it probably deflects a lot of the signal, and the terrain takes care of the rest of it.  Our antenna is some 380 feet above the ground in addition to the 700 feet elevation difference.  I think it's similar to shining a flashlight at a distant object, but just in front of the light source, you have a rather large object that creates a "shadow".  Radio energy works quite similar to light energy, so it at least sounds plausible.  In the past, we've found that their antenna was pointed in the wrong direction, and they've corrected it, but there's been no real improvement over the past few years.  I've suggested they relocate their site, or put in a remote site that can "see" both ends of the link. That has fallen on deaf ears.  Perhaps now that a tragedy has struck, they'll rethink that.  Five years ago, Dayton was hit by an EF4 tornado, so you'd think they'd recognize the danger is still there.  Rant over - de KC6NLX
 

Last edited by joekc6nlx (3/15/2024 10:16 pm)


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3/16/2024 12:47 am  #2


Re: Close, Mother Nature, But Far Enough Away.

Sad to hear this Joe.  My profound sympathies to all those affected.

Stories like this make me realise sometimes how lucky we are down here to have a decent national meteorological service that gives me almost realtime radar images either to a webpage, or directly to a mobile cell phone app that knows my location.  Www.bom.gov.au is a well respected institution here.

That's all very well and good, but I suspect that a problem we share is lack of widespread uniform quality mobile phone reception coverage outside major urban or semi-urban centres.- hence a need for the service you help to provide.  A dearth of mobile / cell infrastructure in rural Australia is a constant complaint hereabouts and I suspect it's similar in your neck of the woods.

Today, I'm pleased I don't live much further north.  It looks like a tropical cyclone is building in the Gulf of Carpentaria, with the Northern Territory and Far North Queensland likely to get hammered again in what's already been a tough weather year for them.
 


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3/16/2024 1:50 pm  #3


Re: Close, Mother Nature, But Far Enough Away.

We've had a week of rain here in desert Las Vegas.  Minor flooding.  Nothing compared to what you're experiencing, Joe! good luck.


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3/25/2024 12:42 am  #4


Re: Close, Mother Nature, But Far Enough Away.

I lived in Xenia, OH for a couple of years, about a decade after the tornado(es) that pulverized it in 1974.  Walking thru the business/downtown district, you would still run across the leftovers of that event, like a stair going up to a vacant lot with the rail turned into a pretzel.  I am 100% in favor of better weather communication for these type of things.

Last edited by chondrite (3/25/2024 12:43 am)


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3/25/2024 6:59 am  #5


Re: Close, Mother Nature, But Far Enough Away.

Yesterday, my ham radio club had a meeting.  We're not just a club, we are chartered with the county and city as an emergency asset.  As such, we report to a District and to the state of Ohio ARES (Amateur Radio Emergency Service).  Apparently, in my District, there's a significant amount of upset with the communications picture.  Everyone I've spoken with tells me that what I was doing was great, trying to keep people informed as quickly as possible, even though the regional control station was practically unreadable. A few days ago, I posted a note to our local community forum on Facebook, and explained our role, plus gave them the radio frequency to listen to if they have a scanner.  I can give them the information and encourage them to use it, but it's up to them to use it.  We have become complacent in my county, we haven't been hit with a major tornado since the Palm Sunday tornado outbreak in 1965.  Ironically, we had formal storm spotter training from the National Weather Service only eight days before this storm.  The meteorologist said that just because we haven't been hit in almost 60 years doesn't mean we're protected.  Fortunately, my city was spared, but I've seen videos of this tornado that hit Lakeview, it was on the ground for 47 minutes, traveled nearly 32 miles (51 km), was nearly 1000 yards wide, and winds of 155 MPH.  Anyway, because of this wake-up call, I hope some positive action will be forthcoming.
 


"Those who can give up essential liberties in order to purchase a little extra security deserve neither liberty nor security." - Benjamin Franklin
"The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." - Marcus Aurelius
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